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| From : J.P. Louvet Date : Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:34:33 +2 (13:34:33 GMT) |
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| From : Damien M. Jones Date : Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:46:14 -0500 (22 Oct 1997 1:46:14 GMT) |
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| From : Stephen C. Ferguson Date : Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:16:59 -0600 (22 Oct 1997 2:16:59 GMT) |
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| From : J.P. Louvet Date : Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:29:21 +2 (10:29:21 GMT) |
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| From : Terry W. Gintz Date : Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:56:38 -0700 (19:56:38 GMT) |
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| From : Rich Thomson Date : Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:38:27 -0600 (20:38:27 GMT) |
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| From : Linas Vepstas Date : Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:34:10 -0500 (22:34:10 GMT) |
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| From : Ron Barnett Date : Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:08:11 -0500 (15:08:11 GMT) |
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| From : J.P. Louvet Date : Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:25:33 +1 (16:25:33 GMT) |
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| From : Linas Vepstas Date : Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:22:56 -0600 (17:22:56 GMT) |
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| From : Ron Barnett Date : Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:53:31 -0500 (17:53:31 GMT) |
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| From : Rich Thomson Date : Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:34:18 -0700 (18:34:18 GMT) |
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| From : Rich Thomson Date : Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:40:54 -0700 (18:40:54 GMT) |
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| From : Mike Freeman Date : Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:04:10 PST (20:04:10 GMT) |
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| From : Rich Thomson Date : Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:28:08 -0700 (20:28:08 GMT) |
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| From : Kerry Mitchell Date : Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:27:42 -0700 (21:27:42 GMT) |
[Rich Thomson] Furthermore, either of these techniques don't readily allow one to build a set of reusable components that can be combined together in new and novel ways. Thinking about all of this leads me in the direction of an interface similar to the scientific visualization systems that were first popularized in the workstation community with programs like AVS (Advanced Visualization System). |
| From : Linas Vepstas Date : Tue, 28 Oct 1997 19:10:16 -0600 (29 Oct 1997 1:10:16 GMT) |
[Rich Thomson] Furthermore, either of these techniques don't readily allow one to build a set of reusable components that can be combined together in new and novel ways. Thinking about all of this leads me in the direction of an interface similar to the scientific visualization systems that were first popularized in the workstation community with programs like AVS (Advanced Visualization System). |
| From : Earl L. Hinrichs Date : Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:31:03 -0700 (29 Oct 1997 3:31:03 GMT) |
[JPL] Do such programs exist ? If yes, how the aesthetic rendering of colors can be controlled ? Now my question is for Earl Hinrichs : do you use such a method ? Some words in a recent mail from Damien let me suppose that it might be possible. |
| From : Rich Thomson Date : Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:40:01 -0700 (16:40:01 GMT) |
[Earl L. Hinrichs] All of the points in the orbit are candidates to contribute to the color. |
| From : Rich Thomson Date : Wed, 29 Oct 1997 09:37:26 -0700 (16:37:26 GMT) |
Earl, this was a nice repost, thanks ! I must have missed the original article, or else I wasn't yet subscribed to fractal-art at that time. I like your idea of building a collection of light "sources" in the plane and then using a candidate Z point from the orbit to pick the color based on its position in the plane. As far as I know, this is a totally new and novel way to color fractals ! |
| From : Terry W. Gintz Date : Wed, 29 Oct 1997 18:17:14 -0800 (30 Oct 1997 6:17:14) |
[Earl L. Hinrichs] Forget about computers. Imagine that you are painting on a canvas. Imagine that someone imposed the above requirement, you can paint anything you want, but the color transitions had to follow the above rule. I doubt that any artist would accept that limitation. But every fractal artist that uses a palette and escape time are accepting that limitation. |
| From : Linas Vepstas Date : Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:19:08 -0600 (18:19:08 GMT) |
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[Earl L. Hinrichs] All of the points in the orbit are candidates to contribute to the color. |
| From : J.P. Louvet Date : Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:34:16 +1 (18:40:15 GMT) |
[Linas Vepstas] Well, why not write a paragraph or two for the FAQ explaining this ? I also suggest providing simple examples, and giving names to the simple examples, so that everyone can use the same terminology. |
| From : Damien M. Jones Date : Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:41:33 -0600 (18:41:33 GMT) |
[Rich Thomson] combine 2 (or N) colormaps in some algorithmic way (add them together, select entries at random, etc.). Do Kai Power Tools gradient tools let you just create the colormap and save it out ? |
| From : Rich Thomson Date : Thu, 30 Oct 1997 11:46:16 -0700 (18:46:16 GMT) |
[Rich Thomson] I'm all in favor of making the algorithms and technological artifice "disappear" behind an interface that's so easy to use, people don't even think twice about what's happening in terms of the computation. |
| From : Linas Vepstas Date : Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:18:25 -0600 (22:18:25 GMT) |
[JPL] Don't forget that all this is for art (even if some technical informations are needed) : only a few painters know the theoretical chemistry underlying paints or the behavior of electrons responsible of colors of pigments ! |
| From : J.P. Louvet Date : Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:29:41 +1 (9:29:41 GMT) |
[Linas] Well, two comments : |
| From : Terry W. Gintz Date : Fri, 31 Oct 1997 06:03:04 -0800 (14:03:04 GMT) |
| [Rich Thomson] Do Kai Power Tools gradient tools let you just create the colormap and save it out ? It seems there is some fertile ground here for a colormap exploration tool. I'm all in favor of making the algorithms and technological artifice "disappear" behind an interface that's so easy to use, people don't even think twice about what's happening in terms of the computation. I've tried to do this to some extent with ZPlot. There are layers within layers here, so you can get as technical as you want in ZPlot, or sit back and use a lot of defaults to make pictures in a near automatic way. Most of the variables can be changed in an almost childish sort of way, so you don't need anything beyond basic math or beginning algebra to experiment here. If you do have a higher math background, ZPlot can get as complicated as you want. ZPlot uses a three-corner mapping method to rotate fractals, and this gets very complicated in the programming. But the use of it in zooming goes smoothly so you don't have to worry about formulas that do the work, ditto for inversion, etc ZPlot 24 has a palette editor (colormap editor ?) that works both in rgb mode and hsv mode. Switching between them is pretty transparent to the user. It's easy to create smooth palettes, and negate them or reverse them at the touch of a button. You can save/load 21 custom palettes in one ZPlot .pl file. Or you can load a palette from any 256-color .bmp file. If you forget how something works, there's a Help button to pull up context-sensitive help for any window. If there's an easier to use program that offers as much power as ZPlot I don't know of it. I haven't used Kai's fractal generator, but if it's like most fractal programs, it only contains a subset of the options ZPlot has. This is not say that anything less than ZPlot is an inferior product, or something you wouldn't want to use. There are many excellent easy-to-use programs that combine a variety of interesting features. I don't use them only because my requirements are more diversified (esoteric too ?) than any other program I've seen. If you need special image filters and other jazz, Paint Shop Pro or the like is more suited for this than a fractal program. Fractint may offer similar power and faster plotting, but it isn't as easy to use nor does it do 24-bit color yet. Fractint is also a composite of many diverse points of view. "Modeless" operation isn't always possible, so options are often not available at the same time or superseded by other options (they don't mention this in the docs.) I try to state clearly which options are mutually exclusive with other options, and try to keep these at a minimum. In most cases, when you combine two options in ZPlot you get different results than either by themselves. ZPlot allows multiple options to be used together. I don't think you can separate all technical details from the workings of a fractal program, and still give it the ability to create art. Art for me means putting in some effort (not like doodling), and fractal art requires some knowledge of what you're trying to accomplish. This in turn usually means combining terms to get the highest esthetic value in a picture. Can you give a non-technical name to all methods, traditional and tangent, that shape fractal art ? If so, you risk disconnecting a fractalist from the very fabric that feeds the genre. You talk about how it should be. This is how it is today. |
| From : Linas Vepstas Date : Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:36:17 -0600 (16:36:17 GMT) |
And maybe I should have stressed the difference between artist and artisan : |
| From : Bruce and Helen Dawson Date : Tue, 04 Nov 1997 10:50:50 -0800 (18:50:50 GMT) |
[Rich Thomson] I'm all in favor of making the algorithms and technological artifice "disappear" behind an interface that's so easy to use, people don't even think twice about what's happening in terms of the computation. |
| From : Earl L. Hinrichs Date : Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:29:48 -0700 (6 Nov 1997 3:29:48 GMT) |
[Terry] But what Earl may not realize, that others may have already discovered, about the methods he suggests -- |
| From : Linas Vepstas Date : Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:28:03 -0600 (22:28:03 GMT) |
[Terry] But what Earl may not realize, that others may have already discovered, about the methods he suggests -- one : there is a technical background that is presupposed that few fractal artists (except programmers) are likely to possess, and two : given that background exists, the ability to use colors effectively in his manner is tricky to say the least. It takes a great skill to manipulate colors Earl's way, sight unseen, as great or greater than any brush painter's. So most fractalists might be more comfortable with a palette-based fractal program to start with, than a program that used only Earl's methods of coloring. |
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